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 Post subject: Lift Kit and CV Issues
PostPosted: Sun Jun 17, 2018 11:53 am 
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Weighing up whether the installation of a lift kit on my 2015 D-Max would cause too many issues than what it is worth. I am after the extra ground clearance, articulation and more comfortable ride a suspension upgrade would provide, however am put off with the numerous issues I hear about CV's and their componentry breaking.

I do not do hard core 4x4ing however want to be able to keep up with friends when out bush in their ranger's, hilux's etc. I understand a diff drop may help (my suspension 'specialist' advised its not necessary with a standard 40-50mm lift), and I would rather not have to fit one to avoid the cost. I am also well aware that driving style has a lot to do with it, in terms of avoiding wheel drops when spinning and full lock turning when in 4wd.

...So, are there many owners out there that actually 4wd with a standard 2" lift, (with or without diff drop) that have not had any problems with their CVs whilst out bush? Have lost confidence in the d-max after speaking to Graham from 4wd action and finding out he has done 'literally dozens of CVs' :| .

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Stephen


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 17, 2018 12:45 pm 
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No issues at all with mine & I give it a bit of a hiding, as long as you stay to the legal 2' or with the max its a bit less with OME Sus all good. Obviously only bigger wheels lift your diff. But sus with some 265/75/16 & you can go almost anywhere.
Good luck in your decision making.


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 17, 2018 1:30 pm 
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Thanks mate, are you running a diff drop? I only have 245-75-16s as well, which should reduce stress on the driveline.


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 17, 2018 2:16 pm 
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G’day Stephen

The total angle the cv is asked to transmit power through is the situation which stresses the cv’s beyond their limits. Raising the suspension a bit makes the cv run at a higher angle continually but doesn’t increase the angle when on full lock. If the droop position is the same then the lift isn’t a factor.
The Graham mentioned may not be a person who is has a reasonable degree of mechanical sympathy and therefore @#$&*%&$@$ most thing he touches. ie, passionate fingers. Hence a large number of cv’s.
If not doing hard core 4wding with a touch of abuse in there too, you probably won’t have a problem.
A lift can mean the vehicle has stronger springs and so flex won’t increase, other springs with greater/higher set but not so weight holding may increase it a little. The front can only flex through it’s design range anyway.

I fitted FWH so the cv’s and the boots aren’t being flexed and run all the time as in the OE design. That means the cv internals are close to new instead of being progressively worn out by constant unnecessary rotation
Seeing you are aware of driving style and the use of the vehicle within design/sensible limits a few sensible mods and use will be ok for you.

PS. Some people can break anything quite well when they try.


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 17, 2018 4:15 pm 
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Stephen mate regardless of what others here might say , the CV's really are a weak link in this model Isuzu , I have been 4wding for years , I bought a Dmax thinking it would be just as capable as any other IFS vehicle I have owned , believe me my mates and I have pretty much had em all over the years .
Never ever have we seen anything break as easy as the CV's on the current shape Isuzu's.
I have busted 2 and I personally know of others that have broken 3 and 4 .
If you lift it only go the absolute minimum, 30mm in the front ( that's still to much ) and fit a Diff Drop .
If you really want to make it much more capable off road , fit 2 Diff locks ( eLockers ) correct use of Lockers will save CV's , stay with std size wheel / tyres and drive bloody careful, especially when turning .
I also have talked to Graham and yes he has done plenty of CV's , he and I are on the same page as far as the front Diff setup is on this model , he also recommends a Diff Drop .


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 17, 2018 8:44 pm 
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So Jacko, are the rumours true? Have you bought a Patrol?

Tink


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 17, 2018 10:30 pm 
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Rumours where did ya hear that , Dmax is still in the garage .


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 18, 2018 10:10 am 
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So bought a Patrol and yet to sell the Dmax :D


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 18, 2018 10:49 am 
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Tink wrote:
So bought a Patrol and yet to sell the Dmax :D


Nah Tink the change over is tomorrow and this bloody Patrol has 4 CV's and I already know of one that has broken a front one :D


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 20, 2018 5:32 pm 
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evenstephenss wrote:
Have lost confidence in the d-max after speaking to Graham from 4wd action and finding out he has done 'literally dozens of CVs' :| .


To be fair he spends up to 200 days a year in the bush, much of it in that ute and as you can see in the videos, it cops a hiding. I'd be surprised if he wasn't busting CVs and all sorts of other things.


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